CONFLICTED: The Process Driving Jaw-Dropping Shows

CONFLICTED: The Process Driving Jaw-Dropping Shows
3 Clips Podcast by Castos
CONFLICTED: The Process Driving Jaw-Dropping Shows
Episode October 15, 2020 00:46:41

Show Notes

When journalist Jake Warren met Aimen Dean -- a former Al Qaeda bomb-maker turned agent for the British intelligence service MI6, who happened to be super smart and deeply knowledgeable about Middle East politics -- he knew he had hit storytelling pay dirt. So when Jake started his own podcasting company a few years later, he was determined to get Aimen behind the mic. But there were a couple of problems: the guy could talk for nine hours, and would sometimes get pretty deep in the weeds. So they brought in Thomas Small -- an author, documentary film producer, Middle East scholar, and good friend of Aimen’s - to be co host.

The resulting podcast, CONFLICTED, from Jake’s company Message Heard, breaks down the complexities of history, religion and politics of the Middle East and puts them in a global context. The first season begins with 9/11 and focuses on the War on Terror and associated conflicts in the region. The second season is about the post-Cold War New World Order and how that era of US dominance affected the Middle East, and beyond. To the listener, it sounds like Thomas and Aimen are having a friendly conversation, sprinkled with Aimen’s often heart-stopping personal stories. But as you’ll hear, there’s lots of work that goes on behind the scenes to get to this place.

In this episode, join 3 Clips host and Marketing Showrunners founder Jay Acunzo as he talks with Jake Warren about the large and small choices that make CONFLICTED a success - not only with Middle East politics nerds, but among a general audience too.


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